“We Were Early, Not Wrong” – Trump, Elon & the Coming Debt Bomb

Jacob Winograd sits down live in the LCI Greenroom with Dr. Norman Horn to unpack the recent social-media showdown between Elon Musk and former President Trump—and what it reveals about the looming national debt crisis. They trace Elon’s frustrations over the “big beautiful bill,” discuss Trump’s role in keeping the Epstein client list under wraps, and explore how both figures illustrate the broken promises of modern politicians. Drawing on public-choice insights and libertarian principles, Jacob and Norman highlight the ticking “debt bomb,” where 25 percent of federal tax receipts now service existing obligations and threaten future hyperinflation or forced austerity. Along the way, they riff on compound interest as both personal finance boon and national debt curse, underscore the dangers of political idolatry, and stress the need for sober awareness over party-line cheerleading .

Beyond the critique of political theater, Jacob and Norman challenge both conservatives and progressives to ground their civic engagement in a consistent ethical framework informed by Scripture and natural-law reasoning. They confront the pitfalls of Christian nationalism and remind listeners that true self-governance demands more than electing “strongmen” to wield power. The episode closes with a celebration of LCI’s tenth anniversary, invites supporters to join them at Freedom Fest in Palm Springs, and spotlights two new releases—Cody Cook’s The Anarchist Anabaptist and Benj Giffone’s A House Divided—along with a dollar-for-dollar matching drive to fuel the ministry’s work.

Additional Resources

• Unscripted Conversations on Liberty, Pacifism, and the Gospel with Cody Cook: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/unscripted-conversations-on-liberty-pacifism-and-the-gospel-with-cody-cook/