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Romans 13 discussions

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Over at the Christian Libertarian Facebook Group, we have amazing discussions pretty much all the time. A common question, especially amongst newcomers to the group, is how to interpret Romans 13. Scott B. has assembled links and dates to all of these discussions, which I’d like to share with you here. (You also can read my exegesis and discussion of the passage here.) I hope this encourages you to join this group and become a part of the conversation!

Links to posts/discussions from the Christian libertarians group on Romans 13:

December 8, 2012:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/535510826476712/

November 16, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/525547207473074/

September 1, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/492484660779329/

July 26, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/477793645581764/

June 13, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/456369997724129/

May 27, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/445635582130904/

March 28, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/400390319988764/

March 25, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/398183343542795/

March 12, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/387858137908649/

February 12, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/367985599895903/

November 16, 2011
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/306671619360635/

November 3, 2011
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/299728346721629/

October 18, 2011
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/292107994150331/

October 28, 2011
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/296957840332013/

Other related posts/discussions:

Render unto Caesar: September 5, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/494231987271263/

July 22, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/476287969065665/

September 17, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/499334520094343/

The Golden Rule: July 21, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/groups/290101931017604/permalink/475565795804549/

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  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    Norman, thank you for providing this discussion on Romans 13. For anyone interested in more on this extremely important passage, “Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government: A Revolutionary Commentary on Romans 13:1-7.” Click on my name, then our website. See “Important Books” in the right-hand sidebar.

  • pandeter

    Norman, keep up the good work!

    I would like to add something that I came across recently. Obviously the argument here is the implications Romans 13 has on a Christians life. What is Jesus telling us? Well I am one to believe that the Bible as a whole is complete and logical. And when we look at the context of a verse, the surrounding verses, and historical verses we should be able to come up with clearly what is being said. I think that Romans 13 can be summed up in 2 questions: One, what is Caesars? If we look at other Bible verses, we know that this world is Gods. God is the creator of everything, and everything in it is his. Therefore, if everything is God’s, what is Caesars that we can give him? Nothing. At least that’s the way I see it.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    Pandeter, that’s the way I see it as well:

    “In Mark 12:17, we find Jesus’ oft-misused statement ‘Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.’ Many people interpret this to mean Yahweh and Caesar have separate jurisdictions, powers, and possessions. Is this true?

    “The term “Caesar” is used today to represent government in general. However, at the time Jesus made this statement, Caesar was a flesh and blood Roman dictator. What was it that Jesus was saying should be rendered to the Roman Emperor? Did the bodies, souls, and spirits of man belong to Caesar? Did reverence and obedience belong to Caesar? Did the people’s land and other possessions belong to Caesar? What about taxes? Romans 13:7 tells us to ‘render therefore to all their dues: tribute [tax, NASB] to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.’ In Verse 6, Paul indicated all these things are due to God’s ministers or servants. Did Caesar qualify as one of the ministers of God described by Paul in Verses 3 and 4?….

    “Because only Yahweh determines what is good and what is evil (Romans 13:4), the government described by Paul in Romans 13:1-7 is clearly a Christian government established upon the moral laws of Yahweh. Therefore, the taxes Paul described as due to God’s ministers, are Biblical taxes. Are we to believe Jesus was suggesting Christians pay Biblical taxes (tithes) to Caesar?

    “What belongs to Yahweh? And what belongs to Caesar? The answer to the first question answers the second question. Yahweh reigns over and owns everything:

    ‘The earth is YHWH’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.’ (Psalm 24:1)

    “What does this leave for Caesar? Even Caesar didn’t belong to Caesar.
    Jesus’ answer was merely another example of His trapping the Pharisees with their own words – in this instance, forcing them to choose their god, Yahweh or Caesar. Christian11 Constitutionalists should take heed.”

    For more, see online Chapter 19 “Amendment 10: Counterfeit Powers.” Click on my name, then on our website. Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry and scroll down to Chapter 19.

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