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Aug
07

In memoriam

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On this day, not-so-many years ago, over 200,000 people died because an evil man thought it would be politically useful. Now, if I left it at that, no one I know would hesitate to condemn such an action. But if you tell them it was Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the same people will rise up in defense of their beloved Harry Truman and how he did it to keep more people from dying, elevating the office of president from politician to prophet for who else could tell the future and make such a claim.

Don’t let your ends justify your means.

Norman Horn

Norman is the founder and editor of LibertarianChristians.com. He holds a PhD in Chemical Engineering from the University of Texas at Austin and a Master of Arts in Theological Studies from the Austin Graduate School of Theology.

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  • Matthew Brooks

    The military is inherrentaly political. It is tax money that pays for the military; it is a politician that leads it. Congratulations on figuring out that war is unpleasant and people die. You conviently forget that the bombings of those Japense cities achieved a military objective. War over. Perhaps the President was wrong, and the Japense were just going to surrender having pondered the consequences of their actions. Just because they consistently fought to the death and were willing to die by crashing planes into our ships doesn’t mean that they weren’t just going to surrender and be super peaceful. Perhaps deep down you wanted more Americans and Japense to die at each others hands for a year or so more. Maybe your family owned stock in the companies that mass produced conventional bombs and you lost a whole lot of inheritence money. Maybe deep down you really like war, and wanted it to drag on. Please make up your mind about supporting war or not supporting war. The problem is people are fundementally flawed. We do not “play well with others” by nature.

  • http://libertarianchristians.com Norman Horn

    There is a longstanding “rule of war” that says that you do not attack people who do not pose a threat. If you truly think that the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki posed a real threat then you must also say it was completely proper for the Germans to bomb London like they did, or for the US/Britain to firebomb Dresden, or if the Japanese had decided to level the entire Hawaiian islands because certainly each of those could qualify as “threats” under such a standard. Are you willing to give all of them the same absolution as you seem willing to give the US military for using indiscriminate weapons against civilians?

    Like the Anabaptists or 19th century Churches of Christ, I condemn all war as contrary to the will of the Prince of Peace. My writings on this website should show this consistently. But even on the morally aberrant standards of statists who say that war can be OK, they fail to live up to their own rules. Surprise, surprise…

  • Porkchop

    Mind you Norm, on your comment here that you “condemn all war as contrary to the will of the Prince of Peace.” Yet that would be contradictory to your previous post about gun control where you stated that you believe that Christians have a right to defend themselves. Now, I’m not going to get into the specifics of any war, however, is the point of a war not to defend your country from another? Is that really so different from defending your home? Do you really think arming yourself personally could save you from an advancing army? Given, we in the US have maintained our sovereignty since Pearl Harbor in that no nation has waged a battle on our land, what say you to the cowardice attacks of 9/11 which I remember watching with you? I would not argue that the war was and is being mishandled, but it is a sticky situation for which I fear there is no right action for our military to take in order to get out, be it in the eyes of our nation or theirs. I think what has been lost in the past 10 years is the old adage, “With great power comes great responsibility.”, I doubt anyone would dare question we live in a very strong nation militarily, but perhaps become a little too liberal in it’s use. We are and have been in a very tumultuous time for our country. Strains are political, military, and economic. I think we would do better to push God back in to this country as fervently as those who sought to push Him out only a few decades ago.

    Norman, this may be my first reply, but I do follow you on here as often as I can. It is good to see you put your passion to such a noble cause. Continue to fight for your believes and spread our Father’s good word. Above all else, pray with the same passion! Our country could use it.

    Sincerely,
    Your twin ;)

  • http://libertarianchristians.com Norman Horn

    Dear Porkchop: I don’t believe it is contradictory at all. Accepting
    self-defense as valid is not the same thing as condoning war at all. Rarely
    is the point of a war to “defend your country from another.” It could be
    possible for defensive action to escalate to a war (such as the
    Revolutionary War), but I sincerely and consistently believe that *aggression
    is morally wrong*.

    The 9/11 attacks were not one country attacking another. Iraq had nothing to
    do with it. Afghanistan, the country itself, had nothing to do with it. If
    you want to know why it happened, you have to look at the history of
    AMERICAN interventionism and war, INITIATED by the USA, in the Middle East
    since the end of WW2. Take a look at the articles I have written on these
    topics.
    http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/01/18/simple-arguments-against-iraq-war/
    http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/04/02/cost-of-interventionism/

    My views on war have changed completely over the last five years. My record
    on this website should be a major testament to this. I look back on things
    that once I defended, now with contempt, from the contemporary wars in Iraq
    and Afghanistan, to Desert Storm, to Vietnam, to atomic bombs, and to pretty
    much every president the United States has ever had. The United States
    hasn’t been merely “too liberal” in the use of military force, it has been
    the greatest aggressor of the last 50 years.

    And while the Middle East is a sticky situation, there is only one solution:
    LEAVE NOW. They don’t want us there. We can’t afford to be there. Give them
    their land back.

    You are right that we live in a country that is pushing God out. But guess
    what: that’s what governments do. Where it cannot coopt religion for its own
    use, it removes it. The government has coopted evangelicals and has used
    them to support evil — wars, bailouts, etc. 1980-present consistently shows
    this. But it also sets up internal conflicts that distract people from the
    real issues. So long as the State can dupe Christians into supporting wars
    against imagined enemies and distract them with the evils of “liberals”
    while they get to do whatever they want on the sideline, Christians in the
    United States will make no dent at all against the culture.

    The only answer is to stop supporting the State, period. We must quit
    looking to the State to solve the world’s problems. We must expose the State
    for its evils. We must tell people that God is their salvation, not the next
    government program. We must stop condoning aggression because we like the
    result it gets for us.

    In other words, we begin thinking that the Kingdom of God is enough, and
    that no other kingdom is worth our allegiance. Done.

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