Comments on: Josephus on the Origin of the State http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/ The State is not the Kingdom of God. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: L Kaz http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-4353 L Kaz Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:40:00 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-4353 What is most interesting is the lack of understanding most Christians have regarding what is written above. While lamenting the loss of our country's National Sovereignty, I had an educated Christian young man say to me, "What's the big deal about sovereignty?" Son of Perdition - your time is ripe! What is most interesting is the lack of understanding most Christians have regarding what is written above. While lamenting the loss of our country’s National Sovereignty, I had an educated Christian young man say to me, “What’s the big deal about sovereignty?”

Son of Perdition – your time is ripe!

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]]> By: Nick Scherrer http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-4014 Nick Scherrer Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:01:00 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-4014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword

]]> By: Podcast: Response to Comments on Josephus Article | LibertarianChristians.com http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-367 Podcast: Response to Comments on Josephus Article | LibertarianChristians.com Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:51:38 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-367 [...] Josephus on the Origin of the State (32)40 Reasons to Ban Guns (29)Top 10 Books for Christian Libertarians - Christmas 2008 Edition (15)Unprecedented Obama Lust (12)Was J.R.R. Tolkien a Libertarian? (10) Mar 25 [...] [...] Josephus on the Origin of the State (32)40 Reasons to Ban Guns (29)Top 10 Books for Christian Libertarians – Christmas 2008 Edition (15)Unprecedented Obama Lust (12)Was J.R.R. Tolkien a Libertarian? (10) Mar 25 [...]

]]> By: ASC Day 1: Author’s Forum and a Jewish Rabbi | LibertarianChristians.com http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-312 ASC Day 1: Author’s Forum and a Jewish Rabbi | LibertarianChristians.com Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:41 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-312 [...] Josephus on the Origin of the State (31)40 Reasons to Ban Guns (16)Top 10 Books for Christian Libertarians - Christmas 2008 Edition (15)Unprecedented Obama Lust (12)Washington to the Rescue! (10) Mar 12 [...] [...] Josephus on the Origin of the State (31)40 Reasons to Ban Guns (16)Top 10 Books for Christian Libertarians – Christmas 2008 Edition (15)Unprecedented Obama Lust (12)Washington to the Rescue! (10) Mar 12 [...]

]]> By: RefTagger | LibertarianChristians.com http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-291 RefTagger | LibertarianChristians.com Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:07:33 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-291 [...] Josephus on the Origin of the State (30)40 Reasons to Ban Guns (16)Top 10 Books for Christian Libertarians - Christmas 2008 Edition (15)Unprecedented Obama Lust (12)Washington to the Rescue! (10) Mar 07 [...] [...] Josephus on the Origin of the State (30)40 Reasons to Ban Guns (16)Top 10 Books for Christian Libertarians – Christmas 2008 Edition (15)Unprecedented Obama Lust (12)Washington to the Rescue! (10) Mar 07 [...]

]]> By: Ralph http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-251 Ralph Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:42:05 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-251 As to God establishing a government to be ruled by man, we can look at Romans 8:7, which tells us that the carnal(natural, biological) mind is enmity against God and cannot be subject to God's laws. If true, this would produce at least two results: 1.No one can claim physical authority as representative of God, since no natural mind can be subject to God. 2.Any attempt to do so would result in a tendency toward an infinity of religious ideas about God. Today, by some estimates, there are over 30,000 cults, sects, and denominations that claim to represent God. If one assumes that Paul's statement in Romans 8:7 is true, it would also result in the fact that there could be no decision procedure by which we can get from "here" to God". Paul himself verifies this logic in Romans 8:29-30 and Romans 9:16, through rest of chapter. While Romans 8:29-30 deals with predestination, it establishes the truth I stated earlier regarding Romans 8:7. We cannot make a decision to get from "here" to "God", because God has already foreknown and predestined those whom he calls children. So, what does predestination have to do with freedom? It cancels any form of human government that would claim to represent God. But let's look at another angle. Kurt Godel developed a theorem in 1931 which states that in any consistent axiomatic formulation of number theory, there exists undecideable propositions. What this means is that there is no way to place all truth in one single package. Assuming that God is consistent with all truth, Godel has demonstrated that there is no single process by which we can get from "here" to 'truth", which happens to coincide with the results of Paul's statements regarding God. But what if there is such a decision procedure? If so, then that procedure can be translated into language, which can be translated into algorithms, which can then be programmed into a computer. The computer, lacking the flaws of human nature and the 'carnal" mind, would be the embodiment of the son of God. To say that a government, which is a finite rational system of human organization, can represent God, is to say that computers can ultimately become sons of God, since both are dependent on the same human reasoning process. Further, if we can define "Holy Spirit" we can also program that into computers, so that we will have computerized "sons of God" with qualities of the "Holy Spirit"! To argue for a government of God is to argue for computerized sons of God. Both come from the same human reasoning process. If that is true, then human life is unnecessary. We are merely the bridge to the higher, computerized sons of God. That is precisely the kind of reasoning that allows humans to kill other humans in the name of God or government. As to God establishing a government to be ruled by man, we can look at Romans 8:7, which tells us that the carnal(natural, biological) mind is enmity against God and cannot be subject to God’s laws. If true, this would produce at least two results:
1.No one can claim physical authority as representative of God, since no natural mind can be subject to God.
2.Any attempt to do so would result in a tendency toward an infinity of religious ideas about God. Today, by some estimates, there are over 30,000 cults, sects, and denominations that claim to represent God.

If one assumes that Paul’s statement in Romans 8:7 is true, it would also result in the fact that there could be no decision procedure by which we can get from “here” to God”. Paul himself verifies this logic in Romans 8:29-30 and Romans 9:16, through rest of chapter.

While Romans 8:29-30 deals with predestination, it establishes the truth I stated earlier regarding Romans 8:7. We cannot make a decision to get from “here” to “God”, because God has already foreknown and predestined those whom he calls children. So, what does predestination have to do with freedom? It cancels any form of human government that would claim to represent God.

But let’s look at another angle. Kurt Godel developed a theorem in 1931 which states that in any consistent axiomatic formulation of number theory, there exists undecideable propositions. What this means is that there is no way to place all truth in one single package. Assuming that God is consistent with all truth, Godel has demonstrated that there is no single process by which we can get from “here” to ‘truth”, which happens to coincide with the results of Paul’s statements regarding God.

But what if there is such a decision procedure? If so, then that procedure can be translated into language, which can be translated into algorithms, which can then be programmed into a computer. The computer, lacking the flaws of human nature and the ‘carnal” mind, would be the embodiment of the son of God.

To say that a government, which is a finite rational system of human organization, can represent God, is to say that computers can ultimately become sons of God, since both are dependent on the same human reasoning process.

Further, if we can define “Holy Spirit” we can also program that into computers, so that we will have computerized “sons of God” with qualities of the “Holy Spirit”!

To argue for a government of God is to argue for computerized sons of God. Both come from the same human reasoning process. If that is true, then human life is unnecessary. We are merely the bridge to the higher, computerized sons of God. That is precisely the kind of reasoning that allows humans to kill other humans in the name of God or government.

]]> By: Ralph http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-3002 Ralph Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:42:00 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-3002 As to God establishing a government to be ruled by man, we can look at Romans 8:7, which tells us that the carnal(natural, biological) mind is enmity against God and cannot be subject to God's laws. If true, this would produce at least two results: 1.No one can claim physical authority as representative of God, since no natural mind can be subject to God. 2.Any attempt to do so would result in a tendency toward an infinity of religious ideas about God. Today, by some estimates, there are over 30,000 cults, sects, and denominations that claim to represent God. If one assumes that Paul's statement in Romans 8:7 is true, it would also result in the fact that there could be no decision procedure by which we can get from "here" to God". Paul himself verifies this logic in Romans 8:29-30 and Romans 9:16, through rest of chapter. While Romans 8:29-30 deals with predestination, it establishes the truth I stated earlier regarding Romans 8:7. We cannot make a decision to get from "here" to "God", because God has already foreknown and predestined those whom he calls children. So, what does predestination have to do with freedom? It cancels any form of human government that would claim to represent God. But let's look at another angle. Kurt Godel developed a theorem in 1931 which states that in any consistent axiomatic formulation of number theory, there exists undecideable propositions. What this means is that there is no way to place all truth in one single package. Assuming that God is consistent with all truth, Godel has demonstrated that there is no single process by which we can get from "here" to 'truth", which happens to coincide with the results of Paul's statements regarding God. But what if there is such a decision procedure? If so, then that procedure can be translated into language, which can be translated into algorithms, which can then be programmed into a computer. The computer, lacking the flaws of human nature and the 'carnal" mind, would be the embodiment of the son of God. To say that a government, which is a finite rational system of human organization, can represent God, is to say that computers can ultimately become sons of God, since both are dependent on the same human reasoning process. Further, if we can define "Holy Spirit" we can also program that into computers, so that we will have computerized "sons of God" with qualities of the "Holy Spirit"! To argue for a government of God is to argue for computerized sons of God. Both come from the same human reasoning process. If that is true, then human life is unnecessary. We are merely the bridge to the higher, computerized sons of God. That is precisely the kind of reasoning that allows humans to kill other humans in the name of God or government. As to God establishing a government to be ruled by man, we can look at Romans 8:7, which tells us that the carnal(natural, biological) mind is enmity against God and cannot be subject to God’s laws. If true, this would produce at least two results:
1.No one can claim physical authority as representative of God, since no natural mind can be subject to God.
2.Any attempt to do so would result in a tendency toward an infinity of religious ideas about God. Today, by some estimates, there are over 30,000 cults, sects, and denominations that claim to represent God.

If one assumes that Paul’s statement in Romans 8:7 is true, it would also result in the fact that there could be no decision procedure by which we can get from “here” to God”. Paul himself verifies this logic in Romans 8:29-30 and Romans 9:16, through rest of chapter.

While Romans 8:29-30 deals with predestination, it establishes the truth I stated earlier regarding Romans 8:7. We cannot make a decision to get from “here” to “God”, because God has already foreknown and predestined those whom he calls children. So, what does predestination have to do with freedom? It cancels any form of human government that would claim to represent God.

But let’s look at another angle. Kurt Godel developed a theorem in 1931 which states that in any consistent axiomatic formulation of number theory, there exists undecideable propositions. What this means is that there is no way to place all truth in one single package. Assuming that God is consistent with all truth, Godel has demonstrated that there is no single process by which we can get from “here” to ‘truth”, which happens to coincide with the results of Paul’s statements regarding God.

But what if there is such a decision procedure? If so, then that procedure can be translated into language, which can be translated into algorithms, which can then be programmed into a computer. The computer, lacking the flaws of human nature and the ‘carnal” mind, would be the embodiment of the son of God.

To say that a government, which is a finite rational system of human organization, can represent God, is to say that computers can ultimately become sons of God, since both are dependent on the same human reasoning process.

Further, if we can define “Holy Spirit” we can also program that into computers, so that we will have computerized “sons of God” with qualities of the “Holy Spirit”!

To argue for a government of God is to argue for computerized sons of God. Both come from the same human reasoning process. If that is true, then human life is unnecessary. We are merely the bridge to the higher, computerized sons of God. That is precisely the kind of reasoning that allows humans to kill other humans in the name of God or government.

]]> By: Dustin http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/comment-page-2/#comment-250 Dustin Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:47:54 +0000 http://libertarianchristians.com/2009/02/19/josephus-on-the-origin-of-the-state/#comment-250 To our Libertarian Atheist friend, you make an assumption that freedom of religion is not a principle found in Christianity, and I can hardly blame you. It is highly unfortunate that whenever Christians have historically been in positions of power that they have most often tried to force their own beliefs on those the ruled over, but I assure you that such coercion cannot be found in the teachings of Jesus. To our Libertarian Atheist friend, you make an assumption that freedom of religion is not a principle found in Christianity, and I can hardly blame you. It is highly unfortunate that whenever Christians have historically been in positions of power that they have most often tried to force their own beliefs on those the ruled over, but I assure you that such coercion cannot be found in the teachings of Jesus.

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